1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,740 and I gave my what? 2 00:00:09,340 --> 00:00:13,720 So this is the lady I think, wanting my home. 3 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:22,220 If you're here, Mary, tell me on the tape. 4 00:00:24,820 --> 00:00:26,220 If you open the door, they're going 5 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:28,440 to see the doors back open, and they're going to come back. 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,440 She has to stop. 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,440 She needs to shut the door. 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,440 And then she answers, yes, and then Mary. 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,440 And along, Mary, Mary. 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Guys, I was over here. 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,440 Guys, I was over here. 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,440 My name is Ryan, and I'm a paranormal investigator. 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,440 When I was a kid, my experiences with the supernatural terrified me, 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,440 and I've been searching for answers ever since. 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,440 When I got to Penn State, I realized I wasn't alone in my quest. 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,440 So I founded the Paranormal Research Society, 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,440 dedicated to helping those who were haunted like I was. 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,440 We are students. 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,440 We are seekers. 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,440 And sometimes we're warriors. 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,440 And each time we help someone, 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,440 I feel like I'm one step closer to finding the truth. 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,440 This is Paranormal State. 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Directors log, day one. 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,440 Penn State is off for a midterm break. 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,440 Hey, sup. 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,440 Now I'm in your hometown. 28 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,440 I received a call from a woman in Queens with an interesting story. 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Thankfully, most of the core team is free, 30 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,440 so we're meeting in New York City to discuss the case. 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,440 I'm always afraid riding by myself. 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Yeah, I was too. 33 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,440 You said next to some freaky guy, 34 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,440 who's into the paranormal or something. 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,440 Tells you about the society that you need to join. 36 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,440 I'm excited to be in New York. 37 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,440 We had a really cool case that I'm really excited about. 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,440 We're a woman. She moved into her home. 39 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,440 She's a beach house in Rockaway. 40 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,440 What kind of activity does she experience in the house? 41 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,440 She's heard the typical haunting stuff, 42 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,440 like the banging sounds, the movement. 43 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,440 She's heard voices before. 44 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Like someone's singing, 45 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,440 but it sounded like someone's saying Mary. 46 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,440 So soon after all these experiences have happened, 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,440 Caroline started to research the paranormal, 48 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,440 and she heard about EVPs. 49 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,440 It stands for electronic voice phenomena. 50 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,440 So she started to record, 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,440 and she got a slew of EVPs. 52 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,440 We can just try to see if there aren't any outside variables 53 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,440 that can explain their recordings. 54 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:27,440 You know what I mean? 55 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,440 Like she's been having these bouts of depression. 56 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,440 They come very sudden. 57 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,440 She blames them on the spirits. 58 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,440 So we need to go and find out exactly what's going on there. 59 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,440 We're short on people, as you can see. 60 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,440 Yeah. 61 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,440 So Heather, you're going to be working with Surgey on tech, 62 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,440 and then it'll be Elphi and I doing interviews. 63 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,440 All right. 64 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:51,440 Hello. 65 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:52,440 Hello. 66 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,440 Hi. 67 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,440 Hi, Caroline. 68 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,440 Yes. 69 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,440 Hi, Brian. 70 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:57,440 Hi, Brian. 71 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:58,440 Nice to meet you. 72 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,440 Nice to meet you. 73 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Nice to finally talk to you. 74 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:01,440 I'm glad you came. 75 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,440 See you in person. 76 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,440 So you moved in 10 years ago. 77 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,440 Yes. 78 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,440 And then after a couple of weeks, 79 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,440 you started to experience something. 80 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Yes. 81 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Always when you were in my living room, 82 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,440 you would hear noises down in the hall. 83 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,440 Anybody that slept here always heard noises. 84 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,440 I was like, 85 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,440 I'm going to sleep here. 86 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,440 I'm going to sleep here. 87 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:19,440 I'm going to sleep in the hall. 88 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,440 Anybody that slept here always heard noises, 89 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,440 like someone coming up the stairs. 90 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,440 Now at night, sometimes I hear breathing in the room. 91 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,440 I've heard a voice in the room. 92 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,440 When did you find out about EVPs? 93 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,440 Not even two years, I don't think. 94 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,440 And then I got really into it. 95 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,440 You know, it just was fascinating 96 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,440 that you could pick up voices like this. 97 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,440 Are they on these tapes? 98 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,440 Yeah. 99 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,440 Do you think you can take us through some of these? 100 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Sure. 101 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,440 I want to get you one that I just did. 102 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,440 Let's see if we can hear it. 103 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,440 Sounds like someone breathing. 104 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,440 So this is the lady, I think, haunting my home. 105 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,440 It sounds like it's saying Mary. 106 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,440 What was that? 107 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,440 That was a scary tape, I don't know. 108 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,440 So I would be good to have somebody examine these tapes. 109 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,440 My grandkids don't want to come here, 110 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,440 so I would like to clear this up, 111 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,440 and whatever's here, have it gone. 112 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,440 What do you think about Carol Ann trying to communicate 113 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,440 with the spirits, like with the EVPs? 114 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,440 I don't know. 115 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,440 I don't know. 116 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:31,440 I don't know. 117 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,440 I don't know. 118 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,440 I don't know. 119 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,440 I don't know. 120 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:35,440 I don't know. 121 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,440 We can communicate with the spirits 122 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,440 like with the EVPs. 123 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,440 In the beginning, I didn't believe it either. 124 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,440 I listened to some of the tapes, 125 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,440 and we listened to hear it. 126 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,440 You said that your grandson won't even 127 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,440 like spend the night here? 128 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:46,440 He's scared. 129 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:47,440 It took him a while to talk him into 130 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,440 coming back to stay. 131 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:49,440 Yeah. 132 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,440 He has to sleep at home in the room. 133 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Are you worried about Carol Ann's emotional state? 134 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,440 A little bit. 135 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,440 I don't think in the beginning 136 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:56,440 it made her uncomfortable. 137 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,440 Now it does. 138 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,440 The tapes are getting beat the same, 139 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,440 they're telling her to get out. 140 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,440 I mean, when I come home, 141 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,440 all the lights are on, 142 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,280 I'm a little nervous to even tell me now that she has, 143 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:08,480 she's scared at night, you know? 144 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,680 She's gonna get rid of these ghosts. 145 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,680 You know? 146 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,080 I think it'll make it a lot better. 147 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,080 And here, sometimes at night, 148 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,920 it sounds just like somebody comes in that door 149 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,760 and walks up these stairs. 150 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,260 Well, my granddaughter stayed over with her friend. 151 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:30,960 Her friend heard it at night. 152 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,440 And my brother-in-law slept in here. 153 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,640 She's out here about 10 minutes. 154 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,740 Said he kept feeling somebody pushing him off the mattress. 155 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,680 I felt that something was trying to get under me. 156 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,920 In my mind, I thought, hey, what's gonna lift you? 157 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,680 I went back there and told Carol, 158 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,620 I said, I'm going home. 159 00:05:49,620 --> 00:05:51,020 I'm wide awake now. 160 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:52,160 What is going in the morning? 161 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,800 He got dressed, drove all the way home to Jersey, 162 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,360 and he hasn't slept here since. 163 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,000 There's definitely something here. 164 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,900 She talks about voices. 165 00:06:01,900 --> 00:06:03,300 She has noises. 166 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,360 She's very on edge about it. 167 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,060 Something's here. 168 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:09,940 Also, Carol Ann says it was a hanging in the house. 169 00:06:10,940 --> 00:06:11,780 That happens. 170 00:06:14,140 --> 00:06:16,340 Director's note, Mario just told us 171 00:06:16,340 --> 00:06:17,980 about a death in the house. 172 00:06:17,980 --> 00:06:19,740 This needs to be explored further. 173 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,220 The suicide, how did you find out? 174 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:24,980 Well, they had told my husband, 175 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:26,860 but he never told me about it. 176 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:29,260 And then we started asking around and people said, 177 00:06:29,260 --> 00:06:32,820 oh yeah, no, someone really did hang themselves 178 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:34,340 in your garage. 179 00:06:34,340 --> 00:06:36,140 We were living here about two years, 180 00:06:36,140 --> 00:06:38,880 and I was told by friends of mine at a yacht club 181 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,380 that asked me if I knew that there was a suicide, 182 00:06:41,380 --> 00:06:43,920 which I didn't know there was this woman Mary. 183 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,220 This is where we were told that she was hanging, 184 00:06:48,220 --> 00:06:49,960 was here in the middle of the garage. 185 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,860 Now, the woman across the street that I spoke to said 186 00:06:51,860 --> 00:06:54,200 that she heard the husband, 187 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,640 when he opened the garage door, the husband screaming. 188 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,900 She looked out the window and she seemed to woman hang. 189 00:06:59,900 --> 00:07:02,140 I'm gonna take a camera and interview some of the neighbors. 190 00:07:02,260 --> 00:07:03,100 Okay, yeah. 191 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:03,940 Let's see what they said. 192 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:05,760 Most of the people seem to be nervous, 193 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,100 you know, even like coming on camera 194 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:08,400 or talking about it. 195 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,600 Suicide victims often leave unresolved issues behind, 196 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,740 so their spirits can be reluctant to pass on. 197 00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:15,420 We're now attempting to interview neighbors 198 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:17,380 to see if Mary fits this profile. 199 00:07:17,380 --> 00:07:20,320 Most of them are willing to revisit the sensitive subject. 200 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,480 This neighbor did agree to speak with us, 201 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:23,920 but only off camera. 202 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,120 She, Mary said. 203 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,160 I meant suicide in the 60s. 204 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,060 Okay. 205 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:31,660 This is a woman. 206 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,180 Do you remember, do you know why or did you know the lady? 207 00:07:34,180 --> 00:07:36,720 She was related with me, yeah, but I don't know 208 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,720 why she done that. 209 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,720 Do you know what she looked like or anything? 210 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,560 She's dark hair and dark eyes. 211 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,760 Okay. 212 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Well, that's about all I can tell you. 213 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,200 Okay. 214 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,040 Okay. 215 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,200 I got her on one of my EVPs saying her name 216 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,940 when I asked her to. 217 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:54,740 One day I went in the garage. 218 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:56,240 I was always afraid to go in there 219 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,420 and put a recorder in there. 220 00:07:58,420 --> 00:08:00,680 But I went in, I put a recorder in. 221 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:02,200 I asked if Mary was there. 222 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,940 If you hear Mary, tell me on the tape. 223 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:08,340 And I got first like a hissing sound. 224 00:08:08,340 --> 00:08:09,940 Shhh. 225 00:08:09,940 --> 00:08:13,780 And then she answers yes, but drawing out yes. 226 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:15,880 And then, and along. 227 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,620 Mary, Mary. 228 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:20,460 Mary. 229 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:26,060 I've decided to bring in Dr. Ron Milleone, 230 00:08:26,060 --> 00:08:28,600 one of the country's most recognizable researchers 231 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,300 on electronic voice phenomena. 232 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,860 He's examined hundreds of EVPs, both real and false. 233 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:37,200 We're going to get his opinion on Carol Ann's recordings. 234 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,160 So tell me a little bit what's going on here, 235 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,600 a little background. 236 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,440 I get a lot of voices. 237 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,580 I get a lot of names. 238 00:08:44,580 --> 00:08:49,000 Sometimes I'll get a message, but it's in low whispers. 239 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,680 Almost any time I can get them. 240 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:52,480 So you can kind of turn it on and turn it off 241 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,780 at almost at your will? 242 00:08:53,780 --> 00:08:56,780 Yeah, I got a recording in the garage. 243 00:08:56,780 --> 00:08:59,120 I got a recording in the living room. 244 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:01,480 So what we do is we're going to analyze the stuff 245 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,580 that you've been capturing or recording. 246 00:09:03,580 --> 00:09:06,080 So I'm going to see what's going on here. 247 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:06,920 Okay. 248 00:09:11,020 --> 00:09:13,400 That's the indication of the EVP area there. 249 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,460 So let's, we'll run it all the way through. 250 00:09:15,460 --> 00:09:17,800 The, the. 251 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:22,400 You hear the whisper? 252 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,240 I hear the whisper. 253 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,840 It almost sounds like she's saying this is Mary. 254 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,320 Mary. 255 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Nice setup here. 256 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,200 Yeah, what's up Ron? 257 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:29,800 We were just going over EVP. 258 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,600 We just transferred over. 259 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,760 Do you have any, I can hear. 260 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,720 Carol had this morning, she had a couple that were just 261 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,560 looking at right now. 262 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:37,400 Oh really? 263 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,240 Okay. 264 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,240 So let me bring that up for you. 265 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:46,840 There's something at the beginning. 266 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,600 It's very clear. 267 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,440 Not tried. 268 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,760 I'm going to reduce it to 50%. 269 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,320 You sure that wasn't you? 270 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,920 No, that wasn't me. 271 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Where was this? 272 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,440 This was up here on my PC recording. 273 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,440 Really sounds like get it out of here. 274 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,560 That could be really dangerous. 275 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,120 Get out of here. 276 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Get out of here. 277 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,520 Get out of here. 278 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,880 Sounds like get out of here. 279 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,040 Get out of here. 280 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,840 Director's log day two. 281 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,000 Dr. Milione, our EVP expert, has helped us hear 282 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,240 the unusual recordings that Carol Ann claims are spirits. 283 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,160 While we continue investigating, he 284 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,720 plans to take the EVPs back to his lab for further analysis. 285 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,600 Now the gang will set up body equipment 286 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,280 to try and capture our own EVPs. 287 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,200 The light of God surrounds us. 288 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,560 The love of God enfolds us. 289 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:48,440 The power of God protects us. 290 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaking to whatever spirits might be in this house, 291 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,600 particularly the spirit named Mary, 292 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,280 and she hung herself in this room. 293 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,080 You need to know that you've passed. 294 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,360 You need to stop being here on Earth. 295 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,880 It's time for you to move on. 296 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,240 You are not wanted here. 297 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,120 You are causing trouble and despair for this family. 298 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,720 And you are here to distract Carol Ann from living. 299 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,840 I'm not getting anything. 300 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,160 That was me. 301 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,720 I bumped into it by accident. 302 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,400 We're calling in at night. 303 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,240 If Mary Spirit is trying to reach out from the other side, 304 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,200 she's apparently reserving her communications 305 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:46,520 for Carol Ann alone. 306 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,200 But I am so curious to see what Dr. Ronis concluded 307 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,520 from his analysis. 308 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,240 Ron, you listen to these EVPs, and you're probably 309 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,360 one of the top EVP people in the country. 310 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,800 Your take is that these are genuine voices. 311 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,680 Yeah, these are genuine voices. 312 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:07,480 This one falls into the top 5% of the classic demonic type. 313 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,840 I had a couple of my other colleagues 314 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,400 who were in the same room. 315 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,880 They were in the same room. 316 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,480 They were in the same room. 317 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,840 They were in the same room. 318 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,440 I had a couple of my other colleagues listen to this too, 319 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,080 and they were saying, wow, it seems 320 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,800 like she could open a channel to this demonic entity 321 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,040 here anytime she wants. 322 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:27,960 That needs to be fixed. 323 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:31,720 Just listen to it. 324 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,120 Yeah. 325 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,280 That's a pistol of spirit. 326 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,120 Have you ever had cases where people were just 327 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,000 dabbling too much into EVPs? 328 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,240 Yeah, and they say, oh, look what I found. 329 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,280 This is intriguing. 330 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,240 I actually opened up a window. 331 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,520 Let me try this again. 332 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,200 Now I'm getting another response. 333 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,840 And before you know it, they're channeling more. 334 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,880 Now they're inviting others. 335 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,600 The next thing is, we get physical interference happening. 336 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,640 And the example was the mattress with the brethren war. 337 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,760 That's a classic sign of a demonic coin. 338 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,880 She needs to stop. 339 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,760 We need to put a stop to it. 340 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,120 Dr. Milo's conclusions raise some serious concerns. 341 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,000 If this is legitimate, then it suggests 342 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,360 that Carol Ann has opened up a doorway for something 343 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,360 threatening. 344 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,840 And we just don't know what could happen next. 345 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,640 I need outside assistance. 346 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,440 So I've reached out to the true authority 347 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,120 on demonic phenomena. 348 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,400 I want to bring in Lorraine Warren, who, as you guys know, 349 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,680 I've talked a lot about. 350 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,840 She's very well known and very well respected. 351 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Almost every paranormal book mentions her name. 352 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,200 She was the lead investigator on the Amityville horror case. 353 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Lorraine. 354 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,240 Hey, it's Ryan from Penn State. 355 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,680 The woman here at this house, it 356 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,840 seems like she's attracting spirits to her. 357 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,120 I think it might be both. 358 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,600 You don't want to think of that nature. 359 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,240 This is the rough version. 360 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,000 And this is kind of what Carol did. 361 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,960 But it is a spirit. 362 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,120 I would like to know how it all began. 363 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,240 How did she make communication? 364 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,200 And why we're here? 365 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,760 Let me ask you now, how soon after moving into this house, 366 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,120 did you feel that you weren't alone? 367 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,680 My first week. 368 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,920 Now, Carol, how often do you do the EVPs? 369 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:01,800 Well, every day. 370 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,760 Oh. 371 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,760 So you set yourself up every solitary day? 372 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,240 And that's what people told me. 373 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,280 Carol Ann, that's so dangerous. 374 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,040 I've actually gotten out of bed because I 375 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,400 had to hear some and put it on. 376 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:17,360 No. 377 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,800 Like 2, 3 in the morning. 378 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,440 I did it last night. 379 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,120 And I swear I heard at the end that one of them, 380 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,880 it said her name, Mary. 381 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,680 This is something you're going to have 382 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,440 to be very careful of, honey, because she probably 383 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,880 is going to try to oppress you. 384 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,400 She has done it. 385 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,760 I've got depression that I know wasn't me. 386 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,320 My friends saw the changes. 387 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,120 Oh. 388 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,920 All of a sudden, I wasn't hanging out with anybody. 389 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,800 They'll all be here on the weekends. 390 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,400 I stay upstairs. 391 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,280 See, also in the last three years, 392 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,240 I lost my mother and sister. 393 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,080 Excuse me. 394 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,360 And I really miss them. 395 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,360 They died only died not to part. 396 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,600 Now, my whole family. 397 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,240 This is outrageous, honey. 398 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,880 What she's doing is, I don't know where it's going to go. 399 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,800 Right now, it's an oppression. 400 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,040 Everything is centered around the spirit. 401 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,560 And she's oppressed. 402 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,400 The spirit isn't being allowed to accept its death and pass on. 403 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,640 She's getting more and more into it, 404 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,680 trying to do some more chatteling. 405 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,240 I'm in pain. 406 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,880 She's opening up this portal, and it's starting to come. 407 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,800 I'll let it play for a little while. 408 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,520 It's like, how far can I push this now? 409 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,880 Is there any end to this? 410 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,440 This house is an haunted. 411 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,440 It's her. 412 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,480 This house is an haunted. 413 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:50,200 It's her. 414 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,360 Directors log, with Lorraine's help, 415 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,160 we've confirmed that Carol Ann's obsession with EVP 416 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,280 is affecting her life, her marriage, 417 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,920 and could quite possibly be putting her in danger. 418 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,080 As strange as it sounds, I think we need 419 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,400 to hold a paranormal intervention. 420 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,600 Right now, you're vulnerable to start with. 421 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,560 You're very vulnerable right now. 422 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,760 And you're opening doors, and you're 423 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,400 going to wind up with some very, very serious problems. 424 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Stop, stop, stop these recordings, honey. 425 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,080 Really, stop them. 426 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,920 I mean, there's more than one reason for your depression. 427 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,640 You've got to do things to build yourself up, 428 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,440 not drag you down there. 429 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,880 You've got to get out and leave this place 430 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,720 and get involved in more social things. 431 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,840 Because there definitely was a change in me after I was here. 432 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,320 What you need to do is say, let me get dressed. 433 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,680 I'm going out. 434 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,200 Believe me when I tell you, you have to get rid of it. 435 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,000 I'll let you out here and somebody else knows I'm not crazy. 436 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,480 No, you're not crazy, honey. 437 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,360 No, you're not. 438 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:01,240 You're a beautiful person, honey, and you are not crazy. 439 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,480 Say you get rid of the spirits. 440 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,800 The EVPs are still bringing in more. 441 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,720 You're still constantly communicating, opening that door. 442 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,800 No, I'm not going to do that anymore. 443 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,960 I'm not going to be finished with that, then. 444 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,000 I really have to get out of it. 445 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,120 I really have to get out of it. 446 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:19,160 You do, honey. 447 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,640 Yeah. 448 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,160 Oh, I'm so glad I do. 449 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,160 Look, she killed me. 450 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,920 I'm so happy. 451 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,400 I think somebody understands. 452 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,560 I'm glad I came to. 453 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:30,560 I am, too. 454 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,160 She said she's going to stop while I'm at this. 455 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,160 But, you know. 456 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,120 So how shall I help her? 457 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,520 Treat this like you would treat any other addiction. 458 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,560 And to see that she's not going out, 459 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,560 so we're ain't saying she's not being social. 460 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,960 She's not being herself. 461 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,480 She's spending a lot of time focusing on that death. 462 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,480 She's not going out. 463 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,480 She's not going out. 464 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,480 She's not going out. 465 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:56,480 She's not going out. 466 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,480 She's not going out. 467 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,560 She's not focusing on that death. 468 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Never put two and two together. 469 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,560 Never did. 470 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Never at all. 471 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,560 You couldn't see it, and neither could she. 472 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:06,560 I thought she was happy. 473 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,560 As long as she was happy, I was happy. 474 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,560 So if it takes a little more pushing to help her, 475 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:15,560 yeah, I'm not proud of that. 476 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,560 Yeah. 477 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:27,560 Caroline's response to our pleas to quit her obsession with EVPs 478 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,560 is encouraging. 479 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,560 This morning, she said that she's finally ready to give up her only link to the spirit 480 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,560 world. 481 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Throw it right in the water. 482 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Don't miss. 483 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:54,560 Well, we're done. 484 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,560 We are. 485 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,560 We're done. 486 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,560 I left the evidence for the helping the client, and that's what you always need to do. 487 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,560 I think she's in a great place. 488 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,560 She went out for a walk, got some bagels, enjoyed her coffee out on the deck, 489 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,560 spoke to her friends outside like she was already trying to do that. 490 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,560 The one true thing that matters is that she stops. 491 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,560 She gave me all of her EVP tapes. 492 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,560 They're all right here in these bags. 493 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,560 So these are going home with me. 494 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,560 She gave us everything. 495 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,560 Final log. 496 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,560 When I first came into this case, I was focused on the EVPs that Caroline was recording. 497 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,560 But when I began to understand the impact this obsession was having on her life and 498 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,560 the potential danger involved, my focus became the client. 499 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,560 It's possible that Mary, the woman who allegedly committed suicide in the house, 500 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,560 was simply reaching out to a sensitive soul. 501 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:55,560 But because of her obsession with the dead, Caroline forgot how to live. 502 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,560 Personally, I believe Caroline will keep her promise to stop recording EVPs. 503 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:07,560 And if she does, it'll probably be one of the best things we've ever done that we've ever accomplished.